Tuesday, August 31, 2010

Another rabbinic controversy in Israel...(what else is new?...)

News item:

Rabbi Yithak Shapira suspected of incitement against non-Jews.

Yitzhar rabbi arrested on suspicion of incitement to violence against non-Jews after his book " Torat Hamelech" (The kings Torah) says, "There's no prohibition against killing a Goy (Gentile) who violated Laws of Noah."

Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira of Yitzhar was arrested on Monday on suspicion of incitement to violence against non-Jews. Shapirah was probed following the publication of his book "Torat Hamelech" which addresses questions related to harming non-Jews.
He was arrested at the end of a joint Israel Police and Judah and Samaria District police investigation, and under the order of Attorney General Yehudah Weinstein.

Shapirah wrote in his book, "When we encounter a Goy who has violated the Seven Laws of Noah and kill him out of concern for upholding the seven mitzvot, no prohibition has been violated."

According to the rabbi,
"Anywhere where the presence of a gentile poses a threat to Israel, it is permissible to kill him, EVEN IF IT IS A RIGHTEOUS GENTILE WHO IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE THREATENING SITUATION." (YNET news).


The Orthodox Rabbis in Israel are split over this. Some are protesting that the book set a stage for unruly racial incitement, and was drenched in racist messages that discriminate between people based solely on race and nationality. Many others are asking why all the noise, Shapirah only Parroting what the Halacha already set down as laws, and therefore the authorities should arrest many other Rabbis and sages including Rashi, and the Rambam.

So here is where I come in, I would like to check and see who is right here. Is Israeli Orthodoxy racist, or the whole thing is a storm in a tea cup?

Let me start with one for each camp:

"R. Johanan said, quoting Jerem. 30:6, 'all faces are turned into paleness.'...God says, ' both these (i.e. the Gentiles)and these (i.e. Israel) are my handiwork; why should I let the former perish because of the latter?"( San. 98b.)

And now this, where we clearly see that the halacha using different weights and measures in dealing with the life of a Jew as compared to the life of a goy:

"A Gentile is put to death by ONE judge and by ONE witness, even if he was not forewarned, by a testimony of a man and not of a woman, and even of a family member. In the name of Rabbi Ishmael they said: even for (the killing of) a fetus." (Sanhedrin 57b).
Rambam also wrote concerning this:
"A Jew is not put to death for killing a fetus as it is stated in chapter 5 of tractate Niddah, mishnah 3: "a one-day old baby becomes impure by discharge...and one who kills him is liable...."

They have an answer to everything those rabbis, don't you think?

I let you fine blog readers (as Judah says on his blog)ponder this for a while, as I continue to dig and bring you evidence that those modern rabbis in Israel are only standing of the shoulders of the old Sages when it comes to discriminating against Goyim.

3 comments:

  1. Does Gene practice these principles in his synagogue or only verbally? :P

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  2. >> There's no prohibition against killing a Goy (Gentile) who violated Laws of Noah."

    Ha. Funny reasoning: "In the Bible, there's no prohibition against [evil thing] under circumstance [not described in the Bible]."

    Let me try my hand at this:

    There's no Torah prohibition against hitting people with big orange plastic baseball bats when they violating speeding laws.

    Amusing. I'm going to get my bopper bat.

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  3. I see the "flaw" in your reasoning, Judah (and this is tongue-in-cheek).

    If the Torah states there is a death penalty for breaking the Shabbat, how come we don't kill people for mowing their lawn on Saturday? Simple. No Sanhedrin to judge the crime and it's likely that the person doing the mowing didn't sign on the Torah's dotted line anyway. Can't enforce the law under these circumstances.

    If things are that confusing for something that's actually in the Torah, imagine crafting behaviors out of all those prohibitions absent from the Torah.

    If there's no prohibition against it, you can do it, huh? No prohibition against flying in the Torah so why can't I flap my arms and sail through the air to work every morning? ;-)

    BTW, nice bopper bat.

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